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Old 12-29-2013, 07:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Thoughts on ATP regional jet transition course

Hello guys,
Wondering if anyone has thoughts on the ATP flight academy's regional jet transition course. I spoke with one of ATP's career advisors recently about doing their MEI course recently and he recommended it. I do like the guaranteed interview and apparent followup they do with the regionals. However I am wondering if it is worth the $6k+ they are charging...perhaps it would be better value to just spend that on additional ME time.

Has anyone taken this course and what are your thoughts on it?

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In my opinion, if you send your resume to several airlines, you will get called up for an interview for sure (what do they have to lose?) all the ratings and experience in place, probably extra time would be a better addition. How much ME time do you have?
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Old 12-30-2013, 03:58 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I've around 60 at this point. The entry for most airlines seems to be around 100, but I've been told that some are ok with less, and also that timing is a consideration. I also need more current ME time, as most of what I accumulated was several years ago.
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I am trying to find someone to split this with me the trip attached below, we can take a multi instead of single (See the attachment).

I also got take a Cessna Skymaster from London (GB) to Kiev (Ukraine) (all you need it to get yourself tickets to London and from Kiev. (no flight expenses for you)



Both together should end being just around 3000$ and about 30hrs of multi time


I got 100+ ME time



Unless of course you have Multi CFI in which case you get to build the time at no expense to you whatsoever and stay local
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I am trying to find someone to split this with me the trip attached below, we can take a multilingual instead of single (See the attachment).

I also got take a Cessna Skymaster from London (GB) to Kiev (Ukraine) (all you need it to get yourself tickets to London and from Kiev. (no flight expenses for you)



Both together should end being just around 3000$ and about 30hrs of multi time


I got 100+ ME time



Unless of course you have Multi CFI in which case you get to build the time at no expense to you whatsoever and stay local
Hey Vlad,

Sounds cool, but there's no attachment?

I found a flight school in Florida that can do 50 hours of multiengine time plus an MEI rating for just over 6k, which is what I'm leaning toward right now to combine it with a vacation with the Mrs. But always on the lookout for other opportunities.
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Hey Vlad,

Sounds cool, but there's no attachment?

I found a flight school in Florida that can do 50 hours of multiengine time plus an MEI rating for just over 6k, which is what I'm leaning toward right now to combine it with a vacation with the Mrs. But always on the lookout for other opportunities.

Probably that school in Florida combines u with other student pilots to do tandem time building.

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Vlad, when are you planning those trips?
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In my opinion, if you send your resume to several airlines, you will get called up for an interview for sure (what do they have to lose?) all the ratings and experience in place, probably extra time would be a better addition.
I agree with the above. . . for now. Requirements for the airlines will be changing soon. If you do not get hired prior to those changes, you may want to look at some of the box haulers or skydiving operations. Many places will take persons with lower time and being 91 or 135 are not required to meet the requirements of 121.
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I agree with the above. . . for now. Requirements for the airlines will be changing soon. If you do not get hired prior to those changes, you may want to look at some of the box haulers or skydiving operations. Many places will take persons with lower time and being 91 or 135 are not required to meet the requirements of 121.
Thanks for the reply. I am wondering what you meant by the requirements for airlines will be changing soon. Are you referring to the 1500 hour, ATP required rule for first officers? If so I think they've already changed. But perhaps you are referring to something else?
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Vlad, when are you planning those trips?
for the London-Kiev tripe - As soon as FAA is is done processing the conversion form UK tail number to US tail number


for the Florida-Bahamas-Dominican trip - as soon as I have one more person willing to do it
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Yes, I was referring to the 1500TT yada, yada, yada. I was under the impression that the requirements were to be later this year along with the requirement for 30 hours ground and level C/D simulator time. My apologies for the confusion.
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Hey Vlad,

Sounds cool, but there's no attachment?

I found a flight school in Florida that can do 50 hours of multiengine time plus an MEI rating for just over 6k, which is what I'm leaning toward right now to combine it with a vacation with the Mrs. But always on the lookout for other opportunities.
Those numbers sound way out of whack - to offer 50+ hours for $6000 means that you are getting the time for less than what we are paying for a C172 up here right now. I know that it's more expensive here in Canada, but there's no way it's that much more. This really sounds like it fits into the "if it sounds too good to be true it probably is" category.

Sorry to be so negative, Kuma, I just don't want to see you lose a big chunk of money by some scammers.

The best way to time build may be to get an instructors rating and teach multi for a while....
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Yes, I was referring to the 1500TT yada, yada, yada. I was under the impression that the requirements were to be later this year along with the requirement for 30 hours ground and level C/D simulator time. My apologies for the confusion.
No problem, I appreciate your response. Wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something as I've been somewhat out of the aviation loop.

Bluenose, thanks for the response & your counsel. The school is called Aviation College & Flight Academy. They had a large ad in Flight training earlier this year. I've split 50 hrs of multi time before with someone that came in around 6k but it was acting as safety pilot half the time (which fortunately the FAA lets one log as PIC time). It appears that's how they do it. I'm conducting research now--hopefully I can find some reviews of the place--it does appear they've been in business a while and have an actual campus.
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Wow - I can't believe you guys get to to log time spent as a safety pilot. In Canada, unless you are conducting dual, only one pilot logs the hours. But we also have some pretty crappy regs for first officers, too. Although a flight instructor on a C150 can log dual time (even though they may never touch the controls), a first officer, who generally flies every alternate leg, can only count half of their time when time-building for the ATPL - screwy!
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Wow - I can't believe you guys get to to log time spent as a safety pilot. In Canada, unless you are conducting dual, only one pilot logs the hours. But we also have some pretty crappy regs for first officers, too. Although a flight instructor on a C150 can log dual time (even though they may never touch the controls), a first officer, who generally flies every alternate leg, can only count half of their time when time-building for the ATPL - screwy!
Now that makes me curious--in Canada, let's say if you are going for your instrument or commercial rating, that is, receiving dual, are you allowed to log it as PIC time? In the US you are once you are past your private.
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If you are receiving dual, then you log it as dual, and the person instructing logs PIC. Only one person can log PIC.
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If you are receiving dual, then you log it as dual, and the person instructing logs PIC. Only one person can log PIC.

FAA distingueshes, the two ideas - being able to log as PIC and/or acting as PIC


an excerpt from an faa letters an clarifications.

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Therefore, while it is not possible for two pilots to act as PIC
simultaneously, it is possible for two pilots to log PIC flight
time simultaneously. PIC flight time may be logged by both the
PIC responsible for the operation and safety of the aircraft
during flight time in accordance with FAR 1.1((1)+(2)+(3)), and by the pilot
who acts as the sole manipulator of the controls of the aircraft
for which the pilot is rated under FAR 61.51.
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Seems to be quite fair.
One pilot flying an airplane from start to finish, the other one acting as a PIC.
Other than flight training, and rating purposes, it is also a good way for less experienced pilots to fly with more experienced pilots and log hours.


Consider a situation -


Dad - owns a nice kingair has 2000 hours in it
Son - Multiengine rated with zero hours in kingair

The insurance will not cover the Son and will probably require a 5000-6000 dollar training which is almost like getting a type rating (still leaving him with very little actual real world experience)

The Dad being a good dad isn't comfortable letting his son fly it with no experience as well.



What's wrong with the son flying the plane whenever he goes with his dad (let's say for 50 hours)....

the son get's to log those hours as PIC (because it actually will add to his experience and skills, and because he is actually conducting duties similar to PIC's duties),

the Dad get's to log it, because he is actually the PIC and supervises the whole flight, provides input, tips and teaches when appropriate


fair and win-win


same is the idea for commerical timebuilding when they pair up students.
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In actual fact, the son is acting as a Second-in-Command and by rights should really be logging SIC time (and would be if they were flying two crew commercially - maybe what they need is a private equivalent) - he's not really a PIC...

In the case of disagreement with technique or timing, who's vote will be the decisive one? The father's. In the case of an emergency, who will take control? The father. The son is really a PPTBIC (pilot pretending to be in command)
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