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Old 03-19-2003, 04:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have a associate degree in aviation technology, do you think i should go for the bacherlors degree or will i be ok getting a job with just the associates.
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Old 03-20-2003, 09:13 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It really depends if you plan on doing the airlines or something else. Most airlines want a four yr degree. Many other types, such as corporate or charter probably wont care...but each company is diffferent.
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Old 03-20-2003, 12:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Hey Tommyboy! Welcome to TAF!

1900cpt is absolutely right about it depending on which company you go for. In times when the airlines have a pilot shortage - many will drop the 4-year requirement. Alaska Airlines, however, has never and most likely never will. The 4-year degree will increase your market value slightly, but remember that right now there are thousands of experienced pilots on furlough from all kinds of airlines, so my suggestion is to do whatever gives you a leg up. If you can afford 2 more years - go for it!

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Old 03-22-2003, 08:39 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Dear Tommyboy79: Unless you are afriad of blood, go to medical school. If the war on terror lasts another three to five years, there will just be layoffs.

While a/c prices have increase by the hour for rental, instructors are not getting much more than when I took my first flight lesson in at the age of 16 with a guy in Minneapolis with a small cub with snow skies.

I was so excited; had to pay him six dollars for instruction and four dollars an hour for a/c.

But, he was new instructor, and when he landed, he broke off the right sky and it flew up and broke my ankle. (See the luck I have. It is like a little black cloud follows me around over my head with thunder, lightening and heavy rain.)

This guy must have been pretty bad off, because as I limped in great pain to my dads old packard, he yelled at me, "Don't forget your lesson next Sunday!"

To get all your ratings and build time to even apply for a flying job, and there won't be any, you could go thru medical school.

That is how much money you will spend to just get your ratings.

Does anyone remember the movie "Butterfield 8," where Lis Taylor played a high priced hooker and her secret number was "Butterfield 8!" During that movie, she stole Eddie Fisher from Debbie Renyolds, in real life, not in the movie.

I called Butterfield eight one night after an unsuccessful night in a pickup bar, and Eddie Fisher answered the phone.

Have I ever lied to you guys. Ha. It is really true. That is how unlucky I am.

Sincerely yours: IGIVEUP.

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Old 04-13-2003, 02:46 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Tommyboy79

Originally posted by IGIVEUP
Dear Tommyboy79: Unless you are afriad of blood, go to medical school. If the war on terror lasts another three to five years, there will just be layoffs.
With all due respect to IGIVEUP, who was obviously worked hard and paid his dues to our industry in 19,000 hours of flight....don't listen to him.

No disrespect, IGIVEUP, but I am not working hard for money or for someone else's definition of "success". I love flying. It's what I want to do, it's what I will do, no matter what. Furthermore, we all know that hiring in the airline industry is circular. With all the furloughs and layoffs, it's a bad time to be a pilot, and many people are taking their time and money to medical and law school instead of flight school.

That being said, it's a great time to learn to fly. In 10 years, maybe less (but I hope not too much less), there will be a shortage of qualified pilots. The old generation will have retired over the past few years, and post 9/11 aviation will have discouraged many from either starting or continuing flight training, opening doorways for those of us that stuck with it.

Not being able to see the future, however, no one can say for sure. Irregardless of what happens in the industry, I'm in this for the love of the game, even if I end up hauling garbage for state prisons in a Cessna 172 or something like that, that's fine. Because flying is what I love, and it's what I want to do.

Tommyboy: if you plan on a serious career in a national or major airline, then the four year degree will be a huge help. If you don't plan on going above the regionals, then you'll be fine with an associate's I think, but beyond that you'd do well to go back to school for two more years.

Once again, IGIVEUP, I don't mean to flame you, I simply disagree.

Good luck!!

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Old 10-09-2003, 07:47 AM   #6 (permalink)
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a Bachelor degree to become an airline pilot?
Hmm... maybe if you decide to have a regular job while waiting to be hired...but here in Europe no one needs a 4 year degree..some have 2 years and some like me.. none...Who cares if you have studied Agriculture for 4 years?as long as you passed the 14 ATPL theory exams(oups that might be one of our airline requirements) in a short time(minimum 8 months)..bu at least these exams are learn AtoZ in Aviation..
Maybe because American Majors know the education standards in their country...A french Baccalaureat (highschool diploma or Alevels for the UK) is easily validated as an Associate degree..then the theory exams..8 months full time in Oxford to fill your head with an average of 3 year university course volumewise...
Does it make us more clever? I doubt it...I forgot most of it by now..but its a FAIR selection..I still believe in Experience..
Why would the Airlines make you go through tests when you have a degree(that should prove some form of intelligence)and why should they put you through a sim test?Isnt the FAA or CAA checks valid anymore?

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Old 10-09-2003, 11:37 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Dear Cloud Buster: No problem with your opinion. I respect it. I agree with four year degree.

What I am advising him is that as a specialist in some medical field, he can earn $500,000.00 a year and buy and fly any aircraft he wants to have like John Travolta.

Easier than begging for airline job.

Best advice might still work for him. When I was trying to get with major airlines years ago, I sent off all professional resumes and then would call chief pilot's secretary once a month until I knew her first name and she new mine.

I would ask each one if there was any hiring class comming up.

believe it or not, when an airline, even today, hires forty, say, new pilots. Six won't show up for class. Donno why.

When I was hiring for airline I worked for for a while, always no-shows.

Chief pilot rushes out to secretary and tells her to get him six new guys who can show up in three or four days.

I found out later, one secretary said: "What about that guy that calls me once a month? He really wants to work for this airline.

She said chief pilot said call me right away and see if I could get here in three days before class. Can't hold off class longer than three days.

When she called me, I was there the next day. ha.ha,ha.

It worked for me, and then I had only three years pre-law degree which was special degree if you signed up to go to Baylor Law school in Waco, Texas. Not a four year degree.

I would suggest that method might still work.

And, you did not hurt my feelings one bit.

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Old 10-10-2003, 12:41 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Hours, Hours, Hours!!! I say start small, but think big. Associate Degrees or BS Degrees. Experience is the best teacher!
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Old 10-16-2003, 05:14 AM   #9 (permalink)
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WULF is right. When I was hiring for continental before they merged with AA after my retirement-I think it was AA-I looked for CFI time alot because when you teach something you really learn more yourself.

I would take 2 yrs college even though airline required four year degree and nobody ever chanllenged me on this.

I was, like WULF said, more interested in experience background and health from childhood.

Some childhood deaseses would not get by airline doctor; so, I would tell applicant I was interested in to change resume airline form and leave out ashma, etc.

I would hire a 1,000 to 1,500 SMEL, instrument airplane, instructor over an F-16 fighter pilot or AF tansport pilot, all of whom have very few hours except when we are at war like now.

Average Six year AF pilot had 300 to 600 total hours in F-16s or transports, even boeing 737s, which AF has a lot of.

Had to take valium to get over fear of flying fighter so far ahead of them, AF flight surgeons gave them valiums to get over flight fight syndrome before takeoff.

Also, Navy pilots who trapped on carrier got a preference with me, if they would let me teach them AF method of attitude instrument flying and not stay with thier system, which I checked on six month sim tests and a/c test.

In those days, when I was regional hiring captain, did not require FO to be type rated in aircraft, like most Flag air carriers.

I think flag air carriers raise thier standards to impress public to trust flying with them over ocean.

So, experience to me was more important that four years college. Also, looked hard at twin beech frieght pilots with high CFI hours.

You really learn about flying from flying old twin beech frieghters in terrible weather IFR, and CFI hours.

Sincerely yours: IGIVEUP.

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Old 10-17-2003, 10:06 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Dear tommyboy79: Go with cloudbuster. Just watched ten minute news about U.S. airlines all making a profit last quarter and rehiring layed off crews-some-except continental, which broke even.

If we are not hit again, airlines just might come back. GO FOR IT, LIKE CLOUD BUSTER SAID.

Good luck, sincerely yours: IGIVEUP.
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Old 10-21-2003, 08:57 AM   #11 (permalink)
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this is a question that comes up often--BS, AS or no college experience. once you have your degree its yours. it may or may not make you more marketable with certain airlines (some require some do not)--if you are interested in airline flying. a degree offers you the possiblity to pursue something else in the event of furlough, loss of medical, slow economy or unsatisfied with airline flying.

i would always leave it as an option.

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