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Old 04-21-2003, 10:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Piper Cliper PA-16

I looking for some information on the Piper Cliper. I'm looking at buying a Cliper a local airport It onley has one wing tank, is this normal? It also has a set of EDO 1650 floats that have very little use going with it, how much are they worth and how much more do they make the plane worth?
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Old 04-22-2003, 07:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow. I've never heard of this plane before!





Looks like these aircraft are hard to find. There wasn't a single one listed at Controller's Web Site.
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Old 04-26-2003, 10:30 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm looking forward to picking it up. You wouldn't have a idea what a set of 1650 flaots are worth?
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Old 04-28-2003, 07:49 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Dear David: I have been flying for thirty-five years and have never seen or heard of this a/c. I would buy it just for that reason.

At first I was thinking you were talking about a tri-pacer they went to tailwheel. Maybe that is it. It kinda looks like it could be, but inside looks like only two pilots or pilot and passenger.

Write to piper factory for info on this a/c for group. I suspect it should have two fuel tanks if one is on the side and not centerline.

When I stepped out on the wing of a burning T28 to jump in Laos shot down, I was shocked at the wt of my body turning the a/c steeply to the left when standing near wing root. I would not buy until I checked out fuel tank situation.

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Old 04-29-2003, 01:20 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks for the info. I talked to a old aircraft broker here and he said that is how they were made. I don't want to bet my XXX that he's right.
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Old 04-30-2003, 02:02 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Dear David: Where is fuel tank located and how much fuel at 6 lbs per gallon wt?

Please check out before buying and let me know. I hate it when I don't knowsomething about aviation, after studying it for 35 years. Why you do this to me and honorable moderator.

You embarrass us, make us look stupid, cause never heard of this weird a/c. Call lake hood airport manager in Anchorage, Alaska for price of floats. Will get honest quote from him and lake hood pilots. All planes on lake hood in Anchorage next to Achorage international are of course float planes.

Let us know what you find out. Sincerely yours: IGIVEUP: TYPE AND HORSEPOWER OF ENGINE?
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Old 04-30-2003, 10:01 PM   #7 (permalink)
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There are a number of Clippers at fields where I live. Here is a small history on the plane that I pulled from another site.

At the end of March 1947 the sale of Piper aircraft suddenly decreased, even if in the same month a new type, the PA-14 "Family Cruiser", had been sent out into the market. The Piper firm was set under administration by the New York banks. The new administrator reduced the number of employees from 2.500 to under 200 and he had to solve a problem with huge stocks of material.

Therefore the firm had to create a cheap product and in October 1947 the Piper PA-15 Vagabond was testflown. It was the most scraped model sent to the market after the war, there were not even any springs fitted with the undercarriage. The engine was a 65 hp Lycoming and the wings were standard J-3. An improved version with rubber springs fitted with the undercarriage was named the Piper PA-17 'Vagabond'. - It is told that the 'Vagabond' saved Piper from disaster!

Rather quickly there was developed from the Vagabond basic type a 4-seater version with an extra tank in one wing, an extra door in the left side and with a Lycoming O-235 engine of 108 hp. This version became the name PA-16 'Clipper'. The new type became succesful, but the name 'Clipper' offended the big american company Pan American Airways, whose all aircraft carried the Clipper name.

Piper took the consequense and produced a new version with a wheel instead of the stick and which carried all its tank capacity in the wings and had a bigger engine - and in this way in 1950 the succesful type PA-20 'Pacer' was sent to the market.
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Old 05-01-2003, 09:55 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks for the info. I'm a low time pilot with no tail drager time. Do you feel that this would be a good trainer and a first plane. It has low hours on the first overhall on the orginal motor with new rag on the cotrol serfaces
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I really like tje old Piper planes, I've owned a Colt and a Tri-Pacer in past years. From what I've been told the clipper is a fine two place aircraft, if you want to haul four adults this may not be for you. Two adults and two kids would probably be fine.. My Tri-Pacer only had a 135hp engine, and that was a struggle with the seats filled, since the clipper had a smaller engine I can only image what it would be like... I think it's a fine looking plane..
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You wouldn't happen to know what I should be looking for before I purchase the plane as far as what is a common problems with this plane,and where to look for major problems, also what price range I should be looking at. It has 1800 TT 40 hours on engine and new fabric on control serfaces. It's never been stored out side.
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I would have the wing struts checked out thoroughly. There is an ad that applies to the Colts & Tripacers to look for rust formations at the lower attach points. I would also check the condition and age of the fabric. My two Pipers that I owned were very maintenance and trouble free. I just flew the heck out of them. I would imagine the Clipper is a fine aircraft as well.
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Thanks for the info.
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You wouldn't know what type of A.D. s are there on this aircraft
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Old 05-18-2003, 11:03 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Not anymore. It's been 10 years since I owned one. based on past experience I'd say the most major thing is the wing struts. You loose one of those and there will be an unhappy ending. I talked with several loal mechanics before I bought my planes to ask those types of questions. I have a really good shop that takes care of me now and I can call them any time and ask anything I want. They always give me good honest advice...

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that's good to know. I didn't pay a lot for the plane and the first question you ask is what is wrong with it. I went through the books and the struts were tested last year. I'm starting to realize that the gentalman gave me a deal out if the kindness of his heart. Is there a detailed Manual for this plane. When I start to put the wings back on. I would like to go through everything before the A&PI signs it off.
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Old 05-24-2003, 07:00 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Your best bet is to join the Short Wing Piper Club. They are based in Missouri but have chapters all over the world. The web address is www.shortwing.org.

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Old 05-24-2003, 07:05 PM   #17 (permalink)
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David - You asked about the value of EDO 1650 floats. I can't give you specific guidance on the value except to say that floats are always surprisingly expensive. If they're in good condition, I suspect they have considerable value.

Kenmore Air bought the EDO float business some years ago. Check at http://www.kenmoreair.com/parts/EDOf...DOfloats.html. They might be able to give you some info.
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Old 05-26-2003, 01:54 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Thumbs down HUNTING FOX FROM PA-18 A/C

Dear members: I know this is not politically correct anymore, but for fun, years ago, we used to slow flight PA-18 ac and chase down fox with rear seat passenger shooting fox by leading it with a shotgun.

By pure luck, my none pilot older and only brother, no sisters, wanted to experience a spin later and a loop before landing; so I insisted we get away from victor airway and stay at 1500 ft, I believe, and wear seat packed parachutes I used when doing aerobatics in old stearman I rented from a lawyer friend of mine.

But, with that split door open, my moron brother spotted a fox on the snow below and yelled at me to capture and track fox and he would try at shot at altitude.

They say God takes care of drunks and morons, and in this case it was true. My brother started to lead the fox and came back with shotgun and fired right at the lower wing strut attachment, blowing it free.

He was terrified to jump and almost went down with a/c, but I didn't wait to talk him into it. Ha.ha.ha. I got out fast, and it was close call at that.

dkkalwishky was right. Lift on right wing just flew it upward. I was so scared and busy trying to save my butt, I never actually saw a wing seperation, but I can tell you when he blew off wing strut with shotgun, the result was a violent wing up from lift, I suppose, reaction and very fast.

Later, the wing was found away from the main wreckage. The worst part is we rented the a/c from Southwest Air Rangers, and in the end, we had to pay about $20,000.00 to insurance company.

And, the owner, a former friend until this stupid incident, would not let me come into FBO again. I can't blame him.

Sincerely yours: IGIVEUP. What rubed salt into the wound was my moron brother even missed the fox; he got away.

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Wow! I don't know what else to say
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dkalwishky - I couldn't agree more.
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